Active Outdoor Pursuits Reviews 2

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Premier outdoor adventure company based in the Cairngorms National Park, Scotland established in 1999. Poviding courses, training, holidays, activity days and expeditions. We cater for a wide client group from fun days out for families to training outdoor instructors. From school residentials to international training trips. We provide many activities on land, rock, snow, river, loch and sea; Canoeing, kayaking, SUP, withe water rafting, gorge scrambling, rock climbing, hillwalking, skiing, snowboarding, ski mountaineering.... Come join us on your adventures....


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Rated 1 out of 5 stars

Bad Experience

Having recently undergone their instructor training course, unfortunately I cannot recommend this company.

I have made great connections and have some fond memories of my time here, however on reflection, things need to improve.

Their website and advertising is misleading, they do not offer mountain biking, we never heard anything about the BC Start, Discover and Explore Award, the canyoning "instructor training," gorge scrambling "instructor training," and Ducky Leader training are in actual fact just a half day experience as a client.
Although ML and RCI training fees are covered in the cost, what they do not explain is you will have to pay additionally for all your water sport certifications.

The 30 qualifications they state you can gain are a farce.
Having completed and gained all qualifications possible (without ML and RCI due to prerequisites and no skiing)
I gained 4 qualifications, 2 water safety certificates, a first aid certificate and Safeguarding and protection of children cert. In whole, that makes 9, with the potential to gain 2 more once I complete my ML and RCI.

The living conditions were substandard for 6 months - having to share a tiny kitchen with 20 other people and no regard shown for those who suffer with coeliac (a serious auto immune disorder meaning any exposure or cross contamination with gluten can cause serious illness.)
The store rooms, which we were forced to keep our own kit in made A LOT of people's things mouldy - something the company never apologised or offered reconciliation for. People's kit also suffered damage from the resident mice (who are not only in the stores but also the living and kitchen areas.)

I cannot commend the instructors enough for working under the conditions, they as a whole are professional and friendly. You do see a noticable laspe in knowledge that can only come with experience and as most of the hiring comes in house, you mainly get unexperienced instructors (compared to other companies.) They are expected to work long hours for peanuts. Their vans and trailers are not well maintained at all and the responsibility falls on the instructors that take them out to suffer the consequences.

Regrettably, we suffered two catastrophic injuries while out in Spain on our climbing trip. The pastoral care offered was inapproproate and substandard and the instructors that stayed were left to pick up the pieces. (At first, they offered a conversation with the company director, after pressure they offered limited spaces on a one off session where the participants were not preinformed of the contents.)
In addition to this, after speaking to others in the industry, I was informed that the rock type we were climbing on is not ideal for placing Cams, something the company failed to mention at the time and something that could've contributed to the accident.

Understandably, the accident put some people off pursuing the RCI qualification. The company has fought them getting back their course fees and informed them they must go through their own insurances if they want to recoup the money. Insurances often only cover injury and as this was not something they incurred personally, would not be covered.

I came onto the course with limited outdoor climbing knowledge and seeing what I have seen, knowing what I know now - as an instructor, I would feel completely uncomfortable teaching it the way it is taught here. It is rushed and not conducive in producing competent, confident outdoor climbers.

They may respond and elude that I happily completed the course, however they will not mention that if I didn't, I would've lost my investment completely and been left with no qualifications to show for it - I am not in the financial position to invest 10k+ into something and have nothing to show for it by the end other than some mouldy kit.

March 31, 2024
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Reply from Active Outdoor Pursuits

"In the reply above we responded in detail to claims made by Dominic Haunschmidt, reposted here by Molly (his friend).

All businesses strive for 100% satisfaction from their customers, and we are no different. A vast majority of our reviews on consumer and travel websites are excellent. We continually work to maintain our high standing and market leading position in the sector, and we're always open to sincere and constructive feedback.

However, we simply do not recognise this negative review from Molly! In the 5 months Molly was on the ITC course she never raised any complaints, completed all aspects of the course as advertised and achieved all qualifications.

Upon finishing this course, more of its participants seek jobs with our company than we have positions available. We are, unfortunately, unable to hire all of them. Molly’s application for a job with Active Outdoor Pursuits surely contradicts the views Molly expresses about our company culture, how we look after our terrific staff, and the way things run. People simply wouldn't apply to join the team if they sincerely held the views Molly states here. We have to turn some very well-trained candidates away.

We are delighted that Molly did gain employment elsewhere as an outdoor instructor following the course. This is the main goal of Active’s ITC course and she succeeded.

We remain confident that nearly all of the participants on this well-established and highly regarded course are extremely satisfied with their qualifications, training, and the environment offered, and have had a happy and valuable experience.

Posts like this do a very sad and unfair disservice to many hundreds of skilled and well-qualified instructors (including from Molly’s course) who were very content with their training and who are now working both within our company but also across the sector. These personal judgments also take no account of all our guidance, oversight and full record of compliance with the regulatory and technical bodies actually charged with maintaining standards.



We welcome all potential students to chat to us, visit the centre, and join in on activities prior to booking on the course – you will be reassured of a warm welcome to a lovely Highland Lodge, in a world class location by honest, professional, qualified and happy staff. You, like Molly, can realise your ambition to become a professional outdoor instructor!"

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Rated 1 out of 5 stars

This company is unsafe, unprofessional, mis-advertised and over-pricedd

I attended their 6 months winter Instructor Training Course. Although I have gained some qualifications, in kayaking, canoeing, paddleboarding and white-water safety, and made some great friends on this course, unfortunately this course fell significantly below my expectations and the company as a whole is unsafe, unprofessional, mis-advertised, over-priced and should be avoided at all costs.

During this course 2 young men to fell 16 meters off a crag, resulting in a broken back, broken neck, fractured skull, lung contusions and a brain bleed while Active Outdoor Pursuits were teaching them lead climbing. Both are incredibly lucky to be alive. This accident was entirely avoidable and likely caused by Active Outdoor Pursuits teaching substandard material with under qualified staff and not taking trainees safety as their priority. Although I do not know the details of other accident(s), I have been informed that this is not the first serious climbing accident Active Outdoor Pursuits have had on its Instructor Training Courses historically.

Climbing is not an inherently dangerous sport. It has high consequence if doing things wrong or at the very cutting edge of climbing. People climb for their entire lives and can only have some tendonitis or sore fingers as a result. It is not common place to have major climbing accidents if you know what you are doing.

Active Outdoor Pursuits hire under qualified staff to teach substandard syllabus. They hire mostly internally which keeps this lineage of misinformation going. Mountain Training, the governing body for all climbing qualifications, state very clearly that you should not teach lead climbing with an RCI qualification. All of the staff at Active only have this RCI qualification, with not a single member of full-time instructing staff having a qualification above this and they are all teaching lead climbing. Most of them lack the skills, knowledge and experience to do this.

All of the more experienced climbers on my course, raised concerns about what and how lead climbing was being taught but all these concerns were dismissed and nothing was changed from Active. We, the trainees, were then compelled to lower our safety standards to continue on the course. This is definitely my biggest regret over the last 6 months.

The pastoral care and the professionalism of Active Outdoor Pursuits senior staff since the accident has been insulting and abysmal. They have offered no refund or compensation to the two victims or their families. They sent a video of the scene of the accident to one of the victims with no support in place asking for a statement within days of it happening. For the rest of the trainees, they temporally offered support with one of the company directors, then offered an opt in counselling services which you could only access through the company directors and only had limited numbers. The first climbing session after the accident, Active hired an “external” trauma-informed MCI who spent the day free soloing and said “accidents happen in climbing”. They have not given any refunds or compensation. They have been emotionally manipulative. They have badmouthed around the industry ex-instructors who left following the accident. They have frequently lied to us. They ignore emails with questions or concerns.

In addition to the safety concerns and professionalism concerns there are other issues with the course. The course if overpriced for what you get, with loads of hidden fees, and it is mis-advertised with multiple claims on their website which is not the case on the course. In truth you get a total of 4 qualifications and 7 courses. For the winter course, you will not get the opportunity to shadow instructors on activities and expeditions as the instructor training course is really the only thing they do during the winter.

You are not trained and assessed by “the industries best coaches and instructors”. On few occasions you will have some very experienced outdoor instructors but the vast majority of the time it will be newly qualified outdoor instructors with limited experience and knowledge. These instructors are great but their lack of experience and knowledge is definitely noticeable – especially with climbing and rope work.

The accommodation is below the standard you’d expect for a 6-month course. It has no laundry facilities, it has mice, the storeroom – where you’ll have to leave all your personal safety critical gear - is not fit for purpose with damp and mice issues.

The company is good to gain entry level water-sport qualifications and that is about it. Although due to 5 instructors leaving during our course, most of the water-sports was done by freelancers from better centres.

March 31, 2024
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Reply from Active Outdoor Pursuits

Our whole team is dismayed that one review can contain so many false claims and so many deliberate distortions. Thankfully, lots of others, including our many repeat bookers over a quarter of a century, tell a different story.

Deeply unfair is the totally false suggestion that we have a history of serious incidents, which the reviewer states after citing an accident suffered by two experienced climbers during their instructor training course at the start of this year. There has not been a serious incident in our twenty-five years of operation prior to this. We've provided safe, enjoyable outdoor activities and training for tens of thousands of happy customers and continue to do so.

We are, above everything else, thankful that the two climbers who sustained accidental injuries have since been making good physical recoveries. We have indeed provided them with ongoing support, including external professional counselling. We are confident that their course was expertly supervised and properly staffed, their equipment and oversight was not at fault, and we are a caring and genuinely supportive team.

This reviewer today feels qualified to make extremely grave criticisms of us and describe us in harsh and hurtful terms, but they opted to continue their training at the time of the incident, and they were comfortable to complete their course over the months that followed, achieving all the training and all qualifications as stated on the course syllabus.

When reading this, please rest assured that: our company's staff are appropriately qualified, expertly trained, rigorously assessed and the company have held an HSE/ALLA license since it’s inception in 1999 assuring that the companies’ operational policies and procedures are approved to the highest industry standards.

Analysis of many outdoor activity providers will show quickly that our rates are highly competitive; our syllabus is aligned with awarding bodies and leads to multiple excellent and trusted qualifications; our website provides an extremely clear breakdown of what is included and what is not included in all our activities and courses - there are no hidden charges; our lovely Victorian lodge in the wilds of Scotland is Visit Scotland accredited and has benefited in recent years from investment in heating, roofing and glazing, hosting residential groups from schools, institutions, and companies; and we have a wonderful laundry service provider for our longer stay guests."

Active Outdoor Pursuits Instructor Training Courses have delivered hundreds of qualified instructors to the outdoor industry are a highly respected provider, indeed leader in the sector.

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